Whoo. And those who don't trust gov't. And those who... may not know history, but know dang well, when has the gov't EVER bribed me to do something 'good for me'??? Yup. I smell a rat in there. Bribing. Coercing (but still saying I had a choice.. yeah, if I want to lose my job)... History says this a) doesn't happen and b) it is never good when they 'bribe' you to comply....
Fantastic summary. I went through many of these same intellectual considerations, but I think it ultimately came down to the coercion. When they tried to force it on everyone, I knew something was definitely up. When has a government ever used coercion as a force for good upon its citizens?
This is an outstanding summary of the risk-benefit analysis that many of us did without even realizing it. As the events of the last three years start to fade into a sort of waking-from-nightmare fugue, this kind of record is vital.
While a lot of the above-mentioned reasons factored into my decision, I can think of a few others:
1. The right-brained process of intuition (specifically, that something was very, very wrong) played a role for me. I had a feeling that there was some very large, spiritual dynamic at play here--something along the lines of a test to see who would be deceived, and who wouldn't.
2. The marginalization of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin (which are good early treatment approaches).
3. Telling pregnant women that the vaccine was good for them. (I heard that pregnant women, and women who want to become pregnant, are usually the most protected demographic in medicine, and for good reason).
4. That 95% effective number was just a Relative Risk Reduction figure, not an Absolute Risk Reduction number (which some say it should've been).
I heard a doctor say that when he was in medical school, the strongly emphasized policy was hands off pregnant women unless it was a dire emergency. He was startled that this long standing caution was thrown out the window.
That and the fact that there is no hazard bin for the 'used' masks... kinda tells you it ain't that bad, eh? Esp. when the masks are floating everywhere polluting the waters and land....
Walensky going on TV in May of 2021 telling pregnant women to run out and get the shot was the killer for me, too. I knew there was NO WAY they had adequate data on the vaccines in pregnancy--it hadn't been out long enough for any women to go all the way through pregnancy at that point. I was already very skeptical, but that, to me, was lilke waving a great big pirate flag right before boarding the ship; anyone who doesn't run is being fed to the sharks.
Can you believe that, on my FB, a doctor friend of mine got mad at me when I suggested that the covid-19 so-called "vaccines" (bioweapons) may not be good for pregnant women?
Like...she's a doctor. Geez.
I'm not a doctor, and even I have more common sense that that.
One of my kids was interested in a career as a doctor. It's a noble cause but the profession has been corrupted. I told her to think that one over real carefully. You can be an independent doctor but that's real tough. I've known a few independent doctors and they really struggle to bring home any kind of paycheck.
There is also, it seems to me, a psychopathic element involved when you are indifferent to vulnerable pregnant women and have disregard for the health of babies.
Exactly -- intuition was key to my initial perception that 'something is wrong with this picture' of a coordinated government - media - medical industry campaign, together with enormous profits to drug suppliers not subject to lawsuits for harm. As you suspected, as in your 1. above, this was not a medical experiment at all, it was an experiment in compliance: https://peterdanielmiller.substack.com/p/the-global-medical-experiment-is?sd=pf
All of the above is true for me and my wife (both on our 70s), PLUS the jab wasn’t available yet before we both GOT COVID WITH MILD SYMPTOMS. So adds to the above calculation, we had natural immunity anyway. (Plus, the “experts” kept denigrating natural immunity, and that certainly smelled fishy.)
Yup. I had chicken pox and such as a kid in the 50’s. Even then I kind of knew about natural immunity and that to ignore it at this point smelled like a dead fish rotting in a hot closet. . That clinched it for me then. Had Covid before jabs. 72 yo and a runny nose.
This is so good. Saving this to share with anyone in my life who would be willing to hear why I chose not to get the shots. I am afraid that most want to forget that this was once a conversation, but in the event they are ready to have some intellectual honesty around it, I’ll have this to share with them as part of the discussion.
I’m going to print it out and save it for an appropriate moment with a few people. But like you, I suspect by now they are memory holing much of their behavior.
This is excellent. I also have one thing to consider which is not very "scientific" but I truly believe that where you get your information matters immensely. I have been a true anti-vaxxer for years. I don't want to go into all the reasons for this viewpoint (but let's say safety studies is only one piece of the argument) but I believe the information sources I read and study (for a lot longer than covid) are far less biased than where I would imagine most people get their information. In the case of covid, I can see why you'd be "all in" if you followed just mainstream news and writers. I would love to see someone study this aspect.
I didn’t know everything at first but I did know that I had worked hard for years to be a healthy senior. I was damn healthy at 72--without taking conventional medicines dubious advice, or pharmaceutical flim flam but by researching and using non conventional tried and true health remedies and lifestyle work. There was NO WAY I was going to mess this up with some kind of experimental juice that I saw was going to be forced upon us. The mRNA crap was a no go by August 2020. I’m grateful every day these bioweapons are not in me.
Scott started down the garden path of believing in the vaccines when he disbelieved every single doctor who said that HCQ and Ivermectin were effective at saving people's lives from covid. Once he denied that those are viable alternatives to any vaccine, he was forced to believe the establishment's "one-size-fits-all" solution of a vaccine.
I still can't figure out why Scott was so adamantly against repurposed drugs that showed pretty much unequivocal benefit and very little side effects against covid. I watched his show somewhat regularly in the early days of the pandemic and people did try to convince him that he was wrong on the repurposed drugs, but he kept falling back on, "Then why has no single nation or county beaten covid yet if these drugs are so successful?"
He seems to entirely lack the ability to question the system, which is why at this point I tend to think he's working with the system. He's either directly in the employ of some intelligence agency, or he's surrounded by people in the employ or heavily influenced by those in the employ of some intelligence agency.
He could say "no single country beat COVID" if he ignores the mild impact of COVID on Sweden, southeast Asia, much of eastern Europe and the entire African continent. Adjusting the blinders tightly, Mr. Adams could fail to see much of the world.
I remember those Scott Adams videos from the somewhat early days of covid. It was one of the reasons I stopped watching him. He seemed so uni-focused and completely myopic on this issue. He also completely seemed to care less that many African countries and Indian and South American provinces were finding virtually no covid deaths and very few infections. Maybe he just couldn't relate to people there (and no - not because of a race thing, just a culturally distant thing). But, it became clear early in the pandemic that people living in areas with abundant natural Vitamin D and access and willingness to take liberally - HCQ and IVM seemed to be quite safe from the virus. Any reputable public health official or (cough, cough) philanthropist who does quite a bit of work in those areas of the world would have been at least curious enough to investigate further. That they didn't told me there were all kinds of things wrong with the response from too many countries in the West.
I stopped listening to Scott Adams after the 2020 election when he seemed oddly lackadaisical about an election that was obviously fraudulent.
Come to think of it, many of the games involved in the Vaccine ("It's safe an effective! Don't worry, smart scientists have tested it! The unvaccinated are losers!") could easily be applied to the rhetoric on 2020. ("This was the most secure election ever! There was absolutely no evidence of any tampering with the voter rolls! Don't worry, smart vote counters have tested it! Trump supports are losers!").
This is amazingly well done. Many platitudes here already, but I am adding my own. This is as lucid and complete a piece on the spikeshots as is out there. Thanks for cross-posting this, Justin.
"Even if I were some weird statistical outlier such that COVID might hospitalize me despite my age and good health, then so be it: if it were going to take me, I would not let it take my principles and rights in the meanwhile."
Would you consider it accurate to refer to the above as foundational to your worldview, an a priori assumption, Robin?
I strongly suspect that it is so, which would account for your willingness to suffer or even die, rather than descend into the sordid moral squalor of those embracing calumny and authoritarianism.
Scott Adams' "you won" says nothing about those of us who were saying "whoa, there, this doesn't add up." What there is for him to learn, is what his views can teach him about himself.
The author Andrew Vachss said it best, I think, with his iconic statement that "behavior is truth."
Regardless of how cynically disingenuous the obscurantism of the data has been, that loud rapping noise we've been hearing as peoples' minds snapped shut, has been a lesson in the praxis of self-delusion and induced panic.
Scott makes a distinct category error in saying "you won." In fact, no one has "won" through all of this, not even those who have profited by it. Even they have lost, even if it were nothing more than whatever vestigial traces of human decency that was their God-given portion.
I am currently in the middle of Turtles all the Way Down - and an interesting question comes to mind - what exactly was the placebo for the Covid Vaccine? Was it saline - or was it some other vaccine that could push a baseline of death that would make the statistical significance of it to near zero and help overcome that hurdle?
I heard it was another vaccine deemed “safe and effective “ or an adjuvant that could give mild side effects. In other words, endangering the placebo bunch as well.
Standing ovation, especially with the last argument.
When the people who pat themselves on the back, certain that had they lived in Nazi Germany they would have hidden Jews, that they would have sat at lunch counters to protest Jim Crow, that they would have given aid to Harriet Tubman as she helped escaping slaves....
.... when they were willing to yank the stake out of the chest of the vampire of Jim Crow, and let him wander the land again to harass the unvaccinated.... I knew all their above pretentions were bogus.
There are two types of people...
...those who trust government,
...and those who know history.
Whoo. And those who don't trust gov't. And those who... may not know history, but know dang well, when has the gov't EVER bribed me to do something 'good for me'??? Yup. I smell a rat in there. Bribing. Coercing (but still saying I had a choice.. yeah, if I want to lose my job)... History says this a) doesn't happen and b) it is never good when they 'bribe' you to comply....
Fantastic summary. I went through many of these same intellectual considerations, but I think it ultimately came down to the coercion. When they tried to force it on everyone, I knew something was definitely up. When has a government ever used coercion as a force for good upon its citizens?
Coercion is not consent!
This is an outstanding summary of the risk-benefit analysis that many of us did without even realizing it. As the events of the last three years start to fade into a sort of waking-from-nightmare fugue, this kind of record is vital.
While a lot of the above-mentioned reasons factored into my decision, I can think of a few others:
1. The right-brained process of intuition (specifically, that something was very, very wrong) played a role for me. I had a feeling that there was some very large, spiritual dynamic at play here--something along the lines of a test to see who would be deceived, and who wouldn't.
2. The marginalization of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin (which are good early treatment approaches).
3. Telling pregnant women that the vaccine was good for them. (I heard that pregnant women, and women who want to become pregnant, are usually the most protected demographic in medicine, and for good reason).
4. That 95% effective number was just a Relative Risk Reduction figure, not an Absolute Risk Reduction number (which some say it should've been).
I heard a doctor say that when he was in medical school, the strongly emphasized policy was hands off pregnant women unless it was a dire emergency. He was startled that this long standing caution was thrown out the window.
That and the fact that there is no hazard bin for the 'used' masks... kinda tells you it ain't that bad, eh? Esp. when the masks are floating everywhere polluting the waters and land....
Walensky going on TV in May of 2021 telling pregnant women to run out and get the shot was the killer for me, too. I knew there was NO WAY they had adequate data on the vaccines in pregnancy--it hadn't been out long enough for any women to go all the way through pregnancy at that point. I was already very skeptical, but that, to me, was lilke waving a great big pirate flag right before boarding the ship; anyone who doesn't run is being fed to the sharks.
Can you believe that, on my FB, a doctor friend of mine got mad at me when I suggested that the covid-19 so-called "vaccines" (bioweapons) may not be good for pregnant women?
Like...she's a doctor. Geez.
I'm not a doctor, and even I have more common sense that that.
Interesting!
One of my kids was interested in a career as a doctor. It's a noble cause but the profession has been corrupted. I told her to think that one over real carefully. You can be an independent doctor but that's real tough. I've known a few independent doctors and they really struggle to bring home any kind of paycheck.
There is also, it seems to me, a psychopathic element involved when you are indifferent to vulnerable pregnant women and have disregard for the health of babies.
Exactly -- intuition was key to my initial perception that 'something is wrong with this picture' of a coordinated government - media - medical industry campaign, together with enormous profits to drug suppliers not subject to lawsuits for harm. As you suspected, as in your 1. above, this was not a medical experiment at all, it was an experiment in compliance: https://peterdanielmiller.substack.com/p/the-global-medical-experiment-is?sd=pf
All of the above is true for me and my wife (both on our 70s), PLUS the jab wasn’t available yet before we both GOT COVID WITH MILD SYMPTOMS. So adds to the above calculation, we had natural immunity anyway. (Plus, the “experts” kept denigrating natural immunity, and that certainly smelled fishy.)
Yup. I had chicken pox and such as a kid in the 50’s. Even then I kind of knew about natural immunity and that to ignore it at this point smelled like a dead fish rotting in a hot closet. . That clinched it for me then. Had Covid before jabs. 72 yo and a runny nose.
I became vaccine hesitant before they had even announced they had a vaccine. In March of 2020 I was searching info on how far out a vaccine was, I was aware of Event 201 so I looked in their website, this is what I found, go to the second page, last two paragraphs. https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/exercises/event201/event201-resources/mcm-fact-sheet-191009.pdf
This is so good. Saving this to share with anyone in my life who would be willing to hear why I chose not to get the shots. I am afraid that most want to forget that this was once a conversation, but in the event they are ready to have some intellectual honesty around it, I’ll have this to share with them as part of the discussion.
I’m going to print it out and save it for an appropriate moment with a few people. But like you, I suspect by now they are memory holing much of their behavior.
This is excellent. I also have one thing to consider which is not very "scientific" but I truly believe that where you get your information matters immensely. I have been a true anti-vaxxer for years. I don't want to go into all the reasons for this viewpoint (but let's say safety studies is only one piece of the argument) but I believe the information sources I read and study (for a lot longer than covid) are far less biased than where I would imagine most people get their information. In the case of covid, I can see why you'd be "all in" if you followed just mainstream news and writers. I would love to see someone study this aspect.
I didn’t know everything at first but I did know that I had worked hard for years to be a healthy senior. I was damn healthy at 72--without taking conventional medicines dubious advice, or pharmaceutical flim flam but by researching and using non conventional tried and true health remedies and lifestyle work. There was NO WAY I was going to mess this up with some kind of experimental juice that I saw was going to be forced upon us. The mRNA crap was a no go by August 2020. I’m grateful every day these bioweapons are not in me.
Well written summary! Thank you. You outlined my logic for not getting the vax way better than I could even do it myself. 😉
My favorite line, “if it were going to take me, I would not let it take my principles and rights in the meanwhile.”👏
Scott started down the garden path of believing in the vaccines when he disbelieved every single doctor who said that HCQ and Ivermectin were effective at saving people's lives from covid. Once he denied that those are viable alternatives to any vaccine, he was forced to believe the establishment's "one-size-fits-all" solution of a vaccine.
I still can't figure out why Scott was so adamantly against repurposed drugs that showed pretty much unequivocal benefit and very little side effects against covid. I watched his show somewhat regularly in the early days of the pandemic and people did try to convince him that he was wrong on the repurposed drugs, but he kept falling back on, "Then why has no single nation or county beaten covid yet if these drugs are so successful?"
He seems to entirely lack the ability to question the system, which is why at this point I tend to think he's working with the system. He's either directly in the employ of some intelligence agency, or he's surrounded by people in the employ or heavily influenced by those in the employ of some intelligence agency.
He could say "no single country beat COVID" if he ignores the mild impact of COVID on Sweden, southeast Asia, much of eastern Europe and the entire African continent. Adjusting the blinders tightly, Mr. Adams could fail to see much of the world.
I remember those Scott Adams videos from the somewhat early days of covid. It was one of the reasons I stopped watching him. He seemed so uni-focused and completely myopic on this issue. He also completely seemed to care less that many African countries and Indian and South American provinces were finding virtually no covid deaths and very few infections. Maybe he just couldn't relate to people there (and no - not because of a race thing, just a culturally distant thing). But, it became clear early in the pandemic that people living in areas with abundant natural Vitamin D and access and willingness to take liberally - HCQ and IVM seemed to be quite safe from the virus. Any reputable public health official or (cough, cough) philanthropist who does quite a bit of work in those areas of the world would have been at least curious enough to investigate further. That they didn't told me there were all kinds of things wrong with the response from too many countries in the West.
I stopped listening to Scott Adams after the 2020 election when he seemed oddly lackadaisical about an election that was obviously fraudulent.
Come to think of it, many of the games involved in the Vaccine ("It's safe an effective! Don't worry, smart scientists have tested it! The unvaccinated are losers!") could easily be applied to the rhetoric on 2020. ("This was the most secure election ever! There was absolutely no evidence of any tampering with the voter rolls! Don't worry, smart vote counters have tested it! Trump supports are losers!").
Same dance to a different script.
This is amazingly well done. Many platitudes here already, but I am adding my own. This is as lucid and complete a piece on the spikeshots as is out there. Thanks for cross-posting this, Justin.
"Even if I were some weird statistical outlier such that COVID might hospitalize me despite my age and good health, then so be it: if it were going to take me, I would not let it take my principles and rights in the meanwhile."
Would you consider it accurate to refer to the above as foundational to your worldview, an a priori assumption, Robin?
I strongly suspect that it is so, which would account for your willingness to suffer or even die, rather than descend into the sordid moral squalor of those embracing calumny and authoritarianism.
Scott Adams' "you won" says nothing about those of us who were saying "whoa, there, this doesn't add up." What there is for him to learn, is what his views can teach him about himself.
The author Andrew Vachss said it best, I think, with his iconic statement that "behavior is truth."
Regardless of how cynically disingenuous the obscurantism of the data has been, that loud rapping noise we've been hearing as peoples' minds snapped shut, has been a lesson in the praxis of self-delusion and induced panic.
Scott makes a distinct category error in saying "you won." In fact, no one has "won" through all of this, not even those who have profited by it. Even they have lost, even if it were nothing more than whatever vestigial traces of human decency that was their God-given portion.
Thanks for the re-post, Justin.
Excellent!! Your article summarized everything that I have thought! I feel special that I got it right! 🇺🇸🇺🇸
My reasons.. Pompeo saying we were in a live Military Exercise... Experimental and Warp Speed!!
I am currently in the middle of Turtles all the Way Down - and an interesting question comes to mind - what exactly was the placebo for the Covid Vaccine? Was it saline - or was it some other vaccine that could push a baseline of death that would make the statistical significance of it to near zero and help overcome that hurdle?
I heard it was another vaccine deemed “safe and effective “ or an adjuvant that could give mild side effects. In other words, endangering the placebo bunch as well.
Would love to know exactly what poison they laced the placebo group with
Standing ovation, especially with the last argument.
When the people who pat themselves on the back, certain that had they lived in Nazi Germany they would have hidden Jews, that they would have sat at lunch counters to protest Jim Crow, that they would have given aid to Harriet Tubman as she helped escaping slaves....
.... when they were willing to yank the stake out of the chest of the vampire of Jim Crow, and let him wander the land again to harass the unvaccinated.... I knew all their above pretentions were bogus.