So, the conclusion is that the vulnerable need to sign up for a lifetime of boosters every 2-3 months. That is not sustainable and, as we all know, incredibly dangerous. It's a shame that there aren't *any* early treatments that could help the vulnerable get through a natural infection and get robust immunity that way...
I've been following the PHE and UKHSA reports since June. The infection rate in the fully vaxxed 80 and older is lower now (no doubt a result of their boosting program), but it has not had a big impact on the percentage of deaths in the fully vaxxed relative to the unvaxxed in the age group. However, the overall number of deaths has dropped, which is good news.
The percentage of the population that remains unvaxxed in this age cohort (and all the older cohorts) is very small. IMO, they are not likely to be anti-vaxxer n'er-do-wells. It's more likely that they are too ill to take the jab, which has further implications for the vaxx protection against death in the high risk cohorts, even with the booster benefit baked in.
Can someone help me out. Over the past month or two there have been several articles pointing out that there have been more Covid deaths among the vaccinated than the unvaxxed in the UK, Israel and two (or more?) US states with links to the data. I can not find them now. Can someone point me in the right direction?
"Senior vaxxed cohorts continue to see falling infection rates over the past 4-5 weeks' reports, possibly because majorities of these cohorts have recently received boosters. If VE vs infection is brief (2.5 months or so?), this decline may soon reverse. Time may tell."
Do you know when seniors are tested?
My guess is they are tested when they are symptomatic, not every week or so.
Boosters being rolled out = asymptomatic infection = no testing = apparent falling infection rate.
* does train the immune system to a narrow spike focused response = infection continues to happen, especially vs variants
* does not boost SIgA (mucous membrane antibodies) = infection continues to happen
It's not my intent to correct or quibble, merely to point out that if we don't know when seniors are being tested, but we do know the immunological mechanism(s) induced via vaccination / booster, the interpretation could include the possibility that infections down simple means symptomatic infections down.
So, the conclusion is that the vulnerable need to sign up for a lifetime of boosters every 2-3 months. That is not sustainable and, as we all know, incredibly dangerous. It's a shame that there aren't *any* early treatments that could help the vulnerable get through a natural infection and get robust immunity that way...
For those that want to play with a dashboard of all recent UK reports, here you go https://public.tableau.com/views/UKReportsRiskRatios/UKCharts?:language=en-US&:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link
Wouldn't the fact that many at-risk older people have already died influence the lower infection rate among that age group now?
Thanks for the update, Justin!
I've been following the PHE and UKHSA reports since June. The infection rate in the fully vaxxed 80 and older is lower now (no doubt a result of their boosting program), but it has not had a big impact on the percentage of deaths in the fully vaxxed relative to the unvaxxed in the age group. However, the overall number of deaths has dropped, which is good news.
The percentage of the population that remains unvaxxed in this age cohort (and all the older cohorts) is very small. IMO, they are not likely to be anti-vaxxer n'er-do-wells. It's more likely that they are too ill to take the jab, which has further implications for the vaxx protection against death in the high risk cohorts, even with the booster benefit baked in.
COVID-19 deaths within 28 days 80+/Week 39:
Fully vaxxed: 84.1% (1288/1531)
Unvaxxed: 12.3% (189/1531)
COVID-19 deaths within 28 days 80+/Week 40:
Fully vaxxed: 85.2% (1235/1449)
Unvaxxed: 11.6% (168/1449)
COVID-19 deaths within 28 days 80+/Week 41:
Fully vaxxed: 85.3% (1179/1382)
Unvaxxed: 11.6% (161/1382)
COVID-19 deaths within 28 days 80+/Week 42:
Fully vaxxed: 86.1% (1175/1365)
Unvaxxed: 10.8% (147/1365)
COVID-19 deaths within 28 days 80+/Week 43:
Fully vaxxed: 86.5% (1209/1397)
Unvaxxed: 10.2% (143/1397)
COVID-19 deaths within 28 days 80+/Week 44:
Fully vaxxed: 86.8% (1358/1564)
Unvaxxed: 10.0% (157/1564)
COVID-19 deaths within 28 days 80+/Week 45:
Fully vaxxed: 87.1% (1477/1695)
Unvaxxed: 9.6% (163/1695)
COVID-19 deaths within 28 days 80+/Week 46:
Fully vaxxed: 86.8% (1519/1751)
Unvaxxed: 10.3% (181/1751)
COVID-19 deaths within 28 days 80+/Week 47:
Fully vaxxed: 86.5% (1492/1726)
Unvaxxed: 10.8% (187/1726)
COVID-19 deaths within 28 days 80+/Week 48:
Fully vaxxed: 85.2% (1378/1618)
Unvaxxed: 11.7% (189/1618)
COVID-19 deaths within 28 days 80+/Week 49:
Fully vaxxed: 83.2% (1249/1502)
Unvaxxed: 13.3% (200/1502)
What are their definitions of "fully vaxxed" and "unvaxxed?" Are the twice stabbed but unboosted part of the unvaxxed cohort?
Can someone help me out. Over the past month or two there have been several articles pointing out that there have been more Covid deaths among the vaccinated than the unvaxxed in the UK, Israel and two (or more?) US states with links to the data. I can not find them now. Can someone point me in the right direction?
Seems like a lot of boosted are getting Omicron.
"Senior vaxxed cohorts continue to see falling infection rates over the past 4-5 weeks' reports, possibly because majorities of these cohorts have recently received boosters. If VE vs infection is brief (2.5 months or so?), this decline may soon reverse. Time may tell."
Do you know when seniors are tested?
My guess is they are tested when they are symptomatic, not every week or so.
Boosters being rolled out = asymptomatic infection = no testing = apparent falling infection rate.
Vaccine effect:
* boosts spike-focused IgG count = increase in blood-borne antibodies = reduced disease symptom / severity
* does train the immune system to a narrow spike focused response = infection continues to happen, especially vs variants
* does not boost SIgA (mucous membrane antibodies) = infection continues to happen
It's not my intent to correct or quibble, merely to point out that if we don't know when seniors are being tested, but we do know the immunological mechanism(s) induced via vaccination / booster, the interpretation could include the possibility that infections down simple means symptomatic infections down.
When Alabama in a month looks like Michigan does now, how will you spin it?