Interesting to see what the deaths with number/type of comorbidities were by age as well. Of the 7,463 58 year olds who died with covid, how many had zero comorbidities associated with poor outcomes from Covid-19? How many were obese, T2D, heart disease, fatty liver disease, cancer, etc
What do a lot of those over 65's with the higher death rate, have in common? Yes... they are people who have had flu vaccinations. The death rate increases with age and must be strongly correlated to the number of flu vaccinations a person has had. OK, older people are supposed to have lower immunity but what if previous flu vaccinations have had a detrimental effect when fighting covid?
Hi Cassandra, I am looking for a link to any study that shows those who have taken the flu vaccine is more likely to catch or die from Covid, could you please provide such info if possible? Thank you.
This is all well and good, but the age table is what I refer to as 'comorbidity-agnostic'.
Relevant comorbidities are things associated with metabolic dysregulation and systemic inflammation: (hyper-)obesity; diabetes with complications; chronic kidney disease; Vitamin D deficiency.
If you're a 56 year old male with zero relevant comorbidities, your risk of death from COVID19 is as near to zero as makes no odds. (I have long made it my business to know my 10-year mortality risk, and to do what I can to reduce it: there is zero risk-reduction for me in the Pfizer-payday jab, if one considers the historical level of outright dishonesty in Pfizer's research output).
When I see Karens with a BMI in the high 30s wearing face masks, I stifle a little chuckle and think "If she'd spent the last 20 months losing 20kg, her odds would be better than wearing a mouth-burqa".
It's really interesting that diabetes *without* complications seems be neutral with respect to mortality risk: it points to the culprit being damage to, e.g., the endothelial glycocalyx (interior to the epithelial layer in the vascular system).
5) what's the absolute yearly risk of dying of bacterial meningitis? and tetanus? higher or lower than COVID-19? and yet, those are vaccinations recommended to the general population. how come?
Those vaccinations are "recommended" not mandated, with risk of losing your job, social activities etc. In point 4, you said dying "of" covid, and the dataset clearly states, "With" covid. There are documented cases of covid deaths being labeled when the cause was something else, which means the real risk is likely lower than what we see here. I don't have a link handy to refernce, but the number of people dying "of" covid is WAY less than those dying "with" covid.
Regarding your point about recommending the jab to only older people, I agree. I think the shot should be recommended to younger people with other commodities. Especially those over 31 years old according to the data in this chart. My main beefs are with the mandates, and suppression of debate. I appreciate what Justin is doing here because I believe it adds to the debate that we're seemingly not allowed to have in our formerly free country.
For me personally, I've had covid. (early 2020 from a trip to Vegas.) Since then I've been exposed at least 4 times that I know of and not contracted it again. There are many studies now that have been published about past cases giving better immunity than the shots. I have no underlying comorbidity and neither does anyone in my immediate family. I also personally know 3 people with confirmed injuries to the shots. On the other hand I know dozens of people who are fine after receiving the shot so I know those are generally rare, but the fact is the shot does have some risks. According to the VARES Database managed by the CDC there are 100's of thousands of injuries!
I'm trying to evaluate the question from all angles. I only ask that others respect my ability to evaluate the data for myself and let me make my own decisions. At this point it is clear that the shot does not prevent people from getting/spreading covid - This makes mandates unnecessary and counter productive.
4) looking at your numbers, for anybody over 44 years the risk of dying of COVID would be 10% of all causes of deaths or more. ALL causes of death, including cancer, heart disease, car accidents, suicide... you looked these numbers up, you wrote them in your post and you ended up recommending the vaccine only to >65 years old? what's your problem?
Because all the stats are fubar. Nobody really knows what the numbers are; we're all making educated guesses based on numbers we know are intentionally flawed to make the disease seem much scarier than it is, and the vaxxes much less scary than they are. Thus, the only recommendations one could feasibly make at this point would be to the very ends of the spectrum: old folks, probably yes; kids, definitely no.
3) the COVID-related death risk in the timeframe you chose is the risk of dying of COVID when people was protected by NPI and, in 2021, vaccines. thanks to these measures, just a fraction of US citizen contracted COVID. if nobody vaccinated rates would be much higher.
Complete bunk. The behavioral measures have been repeatedly proven to do diddly squat. If anything, lockdowns increased deaths due to all causes except maybe auto accidents and iatrogenic causes.
2) if you're talking about younger person, you should'nt concentrate on the risk of death but on the risk of hospitalization in a IT unit, which is significatively higher.
so if you're 35 years old and I tell you: take this shot and your risk of choking on food will decrease by >90%, your answer would be 'naaaaaah'. and if dying in a pedestrian accident was such a risible problem why not legalizing jaywalking?
If you offered me a shot that would reduce my risk of choking by 90%, my first question would be: what's in it, and what negative effects have others suffered who've taken it? Or were you that guy that just took the cup of jungle juice at the frat party, and said, "bottoms up?"
Well getting to herd immunity with the vaccines my be a bit of a hope that will never be achieved. I say this based on what I see happening in areas with high vaccination percentages. The vaccinated are succumbing to the virus variants. At least that is what we are being told.
Herd immunity for a coronavirus? Can't see it as even a remote possibility given the fact that even if you could irradicate it from humans (which is itself basically impossible with billions still to get infected/vaccinated), this virus has animal reservoirs.
Interesting to see what the deaths with number/type of comorbidities were by age as well. Of the 7,463 58 year olds who died with covid, how many had zero comorbidities associated with poor outcomes from Covid-19? How many were obese, T2D, heart disease, fatty liver disease, cancer, etc
The correct answer to your question (58yo with zero comorbidities) is "as near to zero as makes no odds".
This is reinforced once you factor in
(a) the deliberate, CDC-directed abuse of the ICD-10 system in death recording; and
(b) the false-positive rate for RT-qPCR
(Leave aside the incentives to the sick-maintenance system for recording deaths as COVID).
Thank you! Perspective is everything.
Awesome
What do a lot of those over 65's with the higher death rate, have in common? Yes... they are people who have had flu vaccinations. The death rate increases with age and must be strongly correlated to the number of flu vaccinations a person has had. OK, older people are supposed to have lower immunity but what if previous flu vaccinations have had a detrimental effect when fighting covid?
imagine having a blog called 'rational ground' and attracting this kind of shit. one should wonder.
Hi Cassandra, I am looking for a link to any study that shows those who have taken the flu vaccine is more likely to catch or die from Covid, could you please provide such info if possible? Thank you.
This is all well and good, but the age table is what I refer to as 'comorbidity-agnostic'.
Relevant comorbidities are things associated with metabolic dysregulation and systemic inflammation: (hyper-)obesity; diabetes with complications; chronic kidney disease; Vitamin D deficiency.
If you're a 56 year old male with zero relevant comorbidities, your risk of death from COVID19 is as near to zero as makes no odds. (I have long made it my business to know my 10-year mortality risk, and to do what I can to reduce it: there is zero risk-reduction for me in the Pfizer-payday jab, if one considers the historical level of outright dishonesty in Pfizer's research output).
When I see Karens with a BMI in the high 30s wearing face masks, I stifle a little chuckle and think "If she'd spent the last 20 months losing 20kg, her odds would be better than wearing a mouth-burqa".
It's really interesting that diabetes *without* complications seems be neutral with respect to mortality risk: it points to the culprit being damage to, e.g., the endothelial glycocalyx (interior to the epithelial layer in the vascular system).
5) what's the absolute yearly risk of dying of bacterial meningitis? and tetanus? higher or lower than COVID-19? and yet, those are vaccinations recommended to the general population. how come?
Those vaccinations are "recommended" not mandated, with risk of losing your job, social activities etc. In point 4, you said dying "of" covid, and the dataset clearly states, "With" covid. There are documented cases of covid deaths being labeled when the cause was something else, which means the real risk is likely lower than what we see here. I don't have a link handy to refernce, but the number of people dying "of" covid is WAY less than those dying "with" covid.
Regarding your point about recommending the jab to only older people, I agree. I think the shot should be recommended to younger people with other commodities. Especially those over 31 years old according to the data in this chart. My main beefs are with the mandates, and suppression of debate. I appreciate what Justin is doing here because I believe it adds to the debate that we're seemingly not allowed to have in our formerly free country.
For me personally, I've had covid. (early 2020 from a trip to Vegas.) Since then I've been exposed at least 4 times that I know of and not contracted it again. There are many studies now that have been published about past cases giving better immunity than the shots. I have no underlying comorbidity and neither does anyone in my immediate family. I also personally know 3 people with confirmed injuries to the shots. On the other hand I know dozens of people who are fine after receiving the shot so I know those are generally rare, but the fact is the shot does have some risks. According to the VARES Database managed by the CDC there are 100's of thousands of injuries!
I'm trying to evaluate the question from all angles. I only ask that others respect my ability to evaluate the data for myself and let me make my own decisions. At this point it is clear that the shot does not prevent people from getting/spreading covid - This makes mandates unnecessary and counter productive.
4) looking at your numbers, for anybody over 44 years the risk of dying of COVID would be 10% of all causes of deaths or more. ALL causes of death, including cancer, heart disease, car accidents, suicide... you looked these numbers up, you wrote them in your post and you ended up recommending the vaccine only to >65 years old? what's your problem?
Because all the stats are fubar. Nobody really knows what the numbers are; we're all making educated guesses based on numbers we know are intentionally flawed to make the disease seem much scarier than it is, and the vaxxes much less scary than they are. Thus, the only recommendations one could feasibly make at this point would be to the very ends of the spectrum: old folks, probably yes; kids, definitely no.
3) the COVID-related death risk in the timeframe you chose is the risk of dying of COVID when people was protected by NPI and, in 2021, vaccines. thanks to these measures, just a fraction of US citizen contracted COVID. if nobody vaccinated rates would be much higher.
Complete bunk. The behavioral measures have been repeatedly proven to do diddly squat. If anything, lockdowns increased deaths due to all causes except maybe auto accidents and iatrogenic causes.
2) if you're talking about younger person, you should'nt concentrate on the risk of death but on the risk of hospitalization in a IT unit, which is significatively higher.
so if you're 35 years old and I tell you: take this shot and your risk of choking on food will decrease by >90%, your answer would be 'naaaaaah'. and if dying in a pedestrian accident was such a risible problem why not legalizing jaywalking?
If you offered me a shot that would reduce my risk of choking by 90%, my first question would be: what's in it, and what negative effects have others suffered who've taken it? Or were you that guy that just took the cup of jungle juice at the frat party, and said, "bottoms up?"
When you adjust for all the deaths that were attributed to covid that shouldn't have been (about 90%), the stats are even better.
This is great if death is all that is feared. How about long covid?
who knows?! your intrepid govt doesn't track this. if you are worried, get the jab. otherwise, leave me alone to take that (undefined) risk.
What about the risk of life-long side effects from the jab?
Well getting to herd immunity with the vaccines my be a bit of a hope that will never be achieved. I say this based on what I see happening in areas with high vaccination percentages. The vaccinated are succumbing to the virus variants. At least that is what we are being told.
Herd immunity for a coronavirus? Can't see it as even a remote possibility given the fact that even if you could irradicate it from humans (which is itself basically impossible with billions still to get infected/vaccinated), this virus has animal reservoirs.