Influenza and pneumonia... that needs to be splitdown. Pneumonia from covid-19 makes sense. If influenza and covid-19, determining causality is impossible (and really bad luck!). Renal failure=Remdesivir. Respiratory failure=ventilator.
So does influenza and pneumonia mean the patients also had influenza as well as Covid-19 or is that just a lumping together? Interesting that they don't use the term Influenza-like Illness (ILI) that they have used previously to lump things together. Proportion of respiratory symptoms to other symptoms looks similar in all age groups (about half).
Yeah I am confused. Did they have it as well or was it a symptom of covid? Weird.
I also thought obesity was far more damning but in the graphics here it almost looks like an afterthought.
I think this may be an "effect of severe covid infection" merged with a "comorbidities causing / associated with severe disease" dataset and a little confusing for that reason.
Obesity is really the cause of a lot of the cardiac type conditions (yellow). Just like Flu can cause the respiratory conditions. (blue) This just shows what a mess this reporting is and how difficult it can be to place the cause of death on one disease, especially for 85+
How can influenza and pneumonia have so many cases when the CDC explicitly shows that deaths from ALL respiratory diseases have been at the normal 2015-2019 level since May 2020?
Pneumonia is short descriptor to describe a set of symptoms. These individuals had an infection (virus or bacterial) that resulted in a specific set of symptoms. It's as generic as broken leg, which doesn't tell you if it is that the femur, tibia or fibula or combination that is broken?
It's the equivalent of dyslexia - Latin for "can't read" or Fibromyalgia - which means "pain from unknown source."
Many "serious" sounding diagnosis are just descriptors of the combination of symptoms. Shortcuts.
Could very well be that the combination of symptoms weren't compiled by practitioners. All of that data comes from what is put in EMR's. Or the conditions of the lungs were beyond the "standard descriptors" of pneumonia. Or it could be people died from heart attacks, strokes or cancer.
That wasn't my point of my comment, it was more to, clarify that pneumonia is a term used to describe a set of symptoms but not classify what is the cause (I.E. bacteria, which one, or viral, which one). Same with flu - it describes a set of symptoms but doesn't specify which variant.
Oak, but MY POINT that you commented on was that the COVID stats are BS. People are dying from other causes by lack of care, and by Covid because of The Protocol, which poisons the weak with oxygen without offering therapeutic drugs like IVM or therapeutic supplements like Zinc and vitamin D.
Perhaps the EMRs are limited in what is coded so they have limited codes or disease possibilities? I was listening to the Ron Johnson event from the other day about the adverse events from the Covid Shots and one of the "victims" said that in the App they were given to record AEs there was no way to include some of the adverse events they were experiencing. They were limited by a set of pre-determined AEs and so if your reaction was different there was no way to communicate it with this type of medical recording.
Rena failure is an interesting “Comorbidity- is this due to the treatment protocol more than the virus? Remember Remdesivir has a high adverse effect of ARF. And this is what is given to those who have severe disease. So is the protocol worse than the disease?
The data is a mess, period. It has been all along and obfuscates the true nature of this virus and disease, whether done intentionally or through negligence. Unless these are clinically confirmed cases of influenza, pneumonia, and COVID-19... we're talking about diseases with shared symptoms and the data simply reflects an ICD-10 code on death certificates. Recall that just this past Spring, the media reports expressed surprise and excitement that we all but eradicated the flu, and there were questions being raised as to whether or not we should even continue with the mass flu-shot programs. Fast-forward several months and we're back to "everyone should get a flu shot" and with talk of combining flu with COVID.
Personally, I think combining PIC numbers is entirely purposeful and is a way to both cover for sloppy reporting and policies and to justify continued booster programs for influenza and COVID.
To see what I'm talking about, look on the CDC's FluView page for mortality statistics and compare the Mortality Percentage chart for 2017-22 of influenza & pneumonia to the same period but including COVID-19. Also, the Quick Reference guide notes that the three causes merely need to be noted among the causes listed on a death certificate, not as the Primary Cause.
Much of what constitutes "useful" metrics in healthcare is a mess.
For example, the normal ranges in lab values are calculated, by each lab, based on the samples they get. Yet, most lab draws are done on people who are ill, so in essence, "healthy" values are very possibly the "healthiest" of the sick.
Case in point:
"...Dr. Lustig: Hemoglobin A1c is the blood test that assesses glucose control over the preceding three months. The problem with HbA1c is that by the time it rises, the horse is out of the barn; it’s one of the last things to change with metabolic dysfunction."
My point is, I wouldn't rely on the CDC for honest measurements before Covid, now they are desperate to hide their gross corruption and cowardice.
It reminds me of appliance manufacturers caught using best case scenarios to calculate energy usage that greatly under-estimated real-world experience. Or VW with diesel-gate.
Thanks Justin. Something that I noticed on one of the earlier CDC releases is elevated risk associated with anxiety and anxiety related disorders. Did you find this represented in any way in your data? Thanks for the great info!
I agree with the other commenters, in that most of the items are chronic ailments/conditions, while 'Influenza and pneumonia' is more of a simultaneous event to COVID (and a typical end result of the other conditions listed I believe). It would be interesting to see a re-sized chart with that one factor removed.
Influenza and pneumonia... that needs to be splitdown. Pneumonia from covid-19 makes sense. If influenza and covid-19, determining causality is impossible (and really bad luck!). Renal failure=Remdesivir. Respiratory failure=ventilator.
So... it's the flu?
So does influenza and pneumonia mean the patients also had influenza as well as Covid-19 or is that just a lumping together? Interesting that they don't use the term Influenza-like Illness (ILI) that they have used previously to lump things together. Proportion of respiratory symptoms to other symptoms looks similar in all age groups (about half).
Yeah I am confused. Did they have it as well or was it a symptom of covid? Weird.
I also thought obesity was far more damning but in the graphics here it almost looks like an afterthought.
I think this may be an "effect of severe covid infection" merged with a "comorbidities causing / associated with severe disease" dataset and a little confusing for that reason.
Obesity is really the cause of a lot of the cardiac type conditions (yellow). Just like Flu can cause the respiratory conditions. (blue) This just shows what a mess this reporting is and how difficult it can be to place the cause of death on one disease, especially for 85+
How can influenza and pneumonia have so many cases when the CDC explicitly shows that deaths from ALL respiratory diseases have been at the normal 2015-2019 level since May 2020?
Pneumonia is short descriptor to describe a set of symptoms. These individuals had an infection (virus or bacterial) that resulted in a specific set of symptoms. It's as generic as broken leg, which doesn't tell you if it is that the femur, tibia or fibula or combination that is broken?
It's the equivalent of dyslexia - Latin for "can't read" or Fibromyalgia - which means "pain from unknown source."
Many "serious" sounding diagnosis are just descriptors of the combination of symptoms. Shortcuts.
The CDC plainly says that pneumonia deaths are LESS this year than the 2015-2019 average. Explain.
Could very well be that the combination of symptoms weren't compiled by practitioners. All of that data comes from what is put in EMR's. Or the conditions of the lungs were beyond the "standard descriptors" of pneumonia. Or it could be people died from heart attacks, strokes or cancer.
That wasn't my point of my comment, it was more to, clarify that pneumonia is a term used to describe a set of symptoms but not classify what is the cause (I.E. bacteria, which one, or viral, which one). Same with flu - it describes a set of symptoms but doesn't specify which variant.
Oak, but MY POINT that you commented on was that the COVID stats are BS. People are dying from other causes by lack of care, and by Covid because of The Protocol, which poisons the weak with oxygen without offering therapeutic drugs like IVM or therapeutic supplements like Zinc and vitamin D.
Perhaps the EMRs are limited in what is coded so they have limited codes or disease possibilities? I was listening to the Ron Johnson event from the other day about the adverse events from the Covid Shots and one of the "victims" said that in the App they were given to record AEs there was no way to include some of the adverse events they were experiencing. They were limited by a set of pre-determined AEs and so if your reaction was different there was no way to communicate it with this type of medical recording.
Rena failure is an interesting “Comorbidity- is this due to the treatment protocol more than the virus? Remember Remdesivir has a high adverse effect of ARF. And this is what is given to those who have severe disease. So is the protocol worse than the disease?
The data is a mess, period. It has been all along and obfuscates the true nature of this virus and disease, whether done intentionally or through negligence. Unless these are clinically confirmed cases of influenza, pneumonia, and COVID-19... we're talking about diseases with shared symptoms and the data simply reflects an ICD-10 code on death certificates. Recall that just this past Spring, the media reports expressed surprise and excitement that we all but eradicated the flu, and there were questions being raised as to whether or not we should even continue with the mass flu-shot programs. Fast-forward several months and we're back to "everyone should get a flu shot" and with talk of combining flu with COVID.
Personally, I think combining PIC numbers is entirely purposeful and is a way to both cover for sloppy reporting and policies and to justify continued booster programs for influenza and COVID.
To see what I'm talking about, look on the CDC's FluView page for mortality statistics and compare the Mortality Percentage chart for 2017-22 of influenza & pneumonia to the same period but including COVID-19. Also, the Quick Reference guide notes that the three causes merely need to be noted among the causes listed on a death certificate, not as the Primary Cause.
Much of what constitutes "useful" metrics in healthcare is a mess.
For example, the normal ranges in lab values are calculated, by each lab, based on the samples they get. Yet, most lab draws are done on people who are ill, so in essence, "healthy" values are very possibly the "healthiest" of the sick.
Case in point:
"...Dr. Lustig: Hemoglobin A1c is the blood test that assesses glucose control over the preceding three months. The problem with HbA1c is that by the time it rises, the horse is out of the barn; it’s one of the last things to change with metabolic dysfunction."
From this: https://www.levelshealth.com/blog/the-ultimate-guide-to-understanding-your-cholesterol-panel-and-metabolic-blood-tests
My point is, I wouldn't rely on the CDC for honest measurements before Covid, now they are desperate to hide their gross corruption and cowardice.
It reminds me of appliance manufacturers caught using best case scenarios to calculate energy usage that greatly under-estimated real-world experience. Or VW with diesel-gate.
Great visualization...thank you Justin!
Thanks Justin. Something that I noticed on one of the earlier CDC releases is elevated risk associated with anxiety and anxiety related disorders. Did you find this represented in any way in your data? Thanks for the great info!
Should we be getting the pneumonia vaccine. Don't hear "Public health" yammering about that one. Seams like it would help, no?
I agree with the other commenters, in that most of the items are chronic ailments/conditions, while 'Influenza and pneumonia' is more of a simultaneous event to COVID (and a typical end result of the other conditions listed I believe). It would be interesting to see a re-sized chart with that one factor removed.